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Recently NCCPA published a set of changes to the maintenance of certification (MOC) process that are under consideration, inviting all certified PAs to comment on the potential changes in hopes of improving the concepts before their adoption by March 31. As a reminder, there are three principle changes under consideration: the addition of a self-assessment activity every two years, the implementation of a clinical quality improvement project every two years, and -with those additional requirements--an extension of the recertification testing cycle from six years to 10.

Rather than take on the whole proposal or recount the history of this issue and how it's unfolding throughout the physician certifying boards, I want to use this ink to focus in on the proposed change that is proving most controversial among certified PAs: the clinical quality improvement project (already mercifully shortened to ClinQI). This idea was borne out of the two competency areas that are hard for educators to teach and for test writers to test: practice-based learning and improvement and system-based practice. However, read the description of those competencies, and it's impossible to deny their importance. (Read about all six areas of PA competence in "Competencies for the PA Profession" here.)

The ClinQI process involves identifying some aspect of your work, your practice, or your patients' health that could be improved; taking a systematic approach to focusing in on a specific method or methods of change; implementing the change; and taking stock of the results. This is not a doctoral thesis. This is a very practical, on-the-job endeavor.

There are some challenges that will have to be addressed. For one, PAs who aren't practicing clinically will need an alternative pathway to fulfill this requirement. The NCCPA team has developed several ideas about how to address this and will gladly consider others that emerge through the comment period. Also, we know there will need to be training available for those who are new to structured quality initiatives, tools that facilitate the process, and simple reporting mechanisms.

Beyond that, the arguments posited by those registering objections to this idea with NCCPA center around four points:

• "I am too busy." We all know this is true. Many of us spend most of our clinical hours just trying to keep up with the steady stream of patients and the paperwork that accompanies them. This is the heart of what we do, and PAs are, indeed, busy doing it. That said, one ClinQI project every two years does not have to take a lot of time. You could even focus in on an issue that eventually saves time: streamlining an outdated process, "down-streaming" tasks, improving patient adherence to a specific type of treatment plan (reducing return visits). Think small, think big, but never get trapped into believing that you're too busy to think about how things could be done better.

• "This is not my job." If looking for ways to improve your practice isn't your job, whose is it? I've been a PA for 29 years, and I have met, trained and worked with many of you over those years. I don't know anyone who could really believe that thoughtful improvement efforts are not part of the job.

• "This is just busywork that will not impact my practice." This is in the hands of the individual. Choose a project that constitutes busywork, and that's what it will be. Choose a project on an issue that presents a real challenge to you, your physician partner, your health care team and/or your patients, and you'll have more meaningful outcomes.

• "I already do this." Yes! NCCPA will work to make it as easy as we can for you to apply the quality improvement you already engage in towards this requirement.
The purpose of inviting feedback on these potential changes is to make them better. Offer your ideas by March 31 through the NCCPA survey available here.

Katherine Adamson, PA-C, MMSc, MA is a former chairman of NCCPA and now serves as the organization's director of external relations.

 

Comments (96)

  1. My opinion is that any changes to the current process should be data driven...not just opinions or hopes. The changes that are made should be in response to identified deficiencies or concerns and based on outcome studies. Is there significant data demonstrating that the institution of these changes will result in improved patient care by PA's? If no true deficeincies have been identified, then what is the theorized outcome? When inefficiencies or deficiencies are identified at an individual or local level, then the response should be decided at that level (by the individual or by their supervisor or employer). If a documented inefficiency or deficiency is occurring frequently enough at a widespread, national level, then I will agree that changes need to be made and instituted with national oversight.
  2. I am not in favor of the ClinQI. I response to the above comments from the NCCPA, "I am too busy". I see no reason to change the requirments that we have at this time. It seems to impact too much time many of us do not have and I feel is irrelavant to my national requirements. I work in a very busy ER practice seeing 75,000 patinet's yearly. The last I need at this time is homework every 2 yrs to keep my liscense up in addition to what I have currently! Getting in the current requirements is sometimes a task for some. If I have anytime to educate I do it in the room with the patient. I am sure there are many out there who feel the way I feel and I hope they also respond. It should be left up to us to decide if it is of any merrit to adopt. NOT THE NCCPA! IN addition, there are many practioners that do not get ample CME money from their employers to fund alot of the requirements now. Adding additional money to the pot is not feasable for some.
  3. I agree with the first writer today. Are there any national deficiencies identified in our practice that warrant an overall change such as this one. Patient care, including compliance in done on an individual basis and differs from patient to patient there is no one plan fits all. Clinic effeciency is enhanced by the person hired by our clinic to accomplish that goal. Not by the providers, whose job is to treat the patients. All of my CME expenses are out of pocket. The clinic project examples given seem aimed at clinic management. A poll of current certified PA's would be interesting to see. Wether it is or not, this has the look of busy work that will cost us more.
  4. I don't agree with the NCCPA's stand " for purposes of the MOC process, such an activity may be used to satisfy the self-assessment requirement or logged for CME credit— but not both. " I think that it should be used for both. I too am like all other PA's practicing today. We are all busy! Our employers expect us to see more patients. They want us to spend more time with our patients. Our patients want more time from us. I have a family who want's my time. I stay current in my specialty. We do more CME than any other profession. I too pay for my own CME. When's the last time you could go to a conference and have ALL your CME reqirements met. My wife is a pharmacist...granted, not a provider, but ONE meeting, ALL CME met.
  5. (finishing part 1) I would like, that our CME be educational and not just filling the squares. I practice orthopedics. I've gone to more CME for general medicine in the past 6 years than I want to admit. There wasn't that many questions on ortho on PANRE. I know how to treat Torsades but I will never see it. I don't practice that type of medicine! I don't see peds, OB, GYN.
  6. I have to agree with all colleagues who disagree with this proposed change. I commute 40 minutes one way to work each day and 40 minutes home. The ONLY way I have been able to satisfy my current 100 hrs required CME is by Audio Digest listening during my driving time. Physicians are required 26hrs for their CME, alot less than we are required and I dont see how adding more busy work will help "better" our profession. I feel we have a strong profession as it is and our popularity in East Texas area is getting stronger. I have met numerous PA's in my area and they are all very strong practitioners and well respected. If this is inevitable that this will happen then it will be disappointing. I think possible having ONE CliniQI for the entire cycle may be tolerable but every 2 years is a little much. I wonder is this more for the NCCPA to keep their "big government" or is it really All about us?
  7. I personally don't see that documenting QI makes me a "more certified" PA. It will be difficult to capture and subject to interpretation by NCCPA and just cost us more money. I also don't see the point of making self-assessment an either/or as far as CME or an activity for self-assessment. It is both. I also pay my own way for insurance, licensing, testing, certification, DEA and so on. This is not helpful to make me a better PA, just a poorer one financially. We shouldn't mimic other organizations for certification requirements. If so, let's do away with testing-NP's don't do testing-they just keep up CME, which defines ongoing learning. Seems like NCCPA is becoming more of a JCAHO in nature.
  8. I agree with the comments made in previous postings. I believe the indications for such a change are not well substantiated and that the time commitment and financial burden of following through on all of this will yield very little in terms of competency or enhancing the current PA practice. I have been a PA 22 years and every year the patient workload and employer competency driven requirements increase. This happens right alongside an ever demanding performance expectation. Most PAs I know have little time for "self assessment" and "CQI" projects in addition to what their jobs already mandate. These competencies are often part of an annual performance evaluation as well. If NCCPA needs something to show to "validate" these competencies the proposals presented could be made part of an optional alternative to routine CME and PAs could use what they already do to fulfill the requirement.
  9. I disagree with the proposed new requirements, as I have read all the posts today. 100% disagree. The profession and respect for the profession is at an all time high. 100 hrs of CME every cycle keeps everybody up to date. It is difficult enough to keep up with the current mandated requirements, please dont burden us any further.
  10. I've read the above comments and am loving it!!! I had hoped I wasn't alone when I read the suggestions for new requirements and felt it was just more nonsense. To the responses regarding the "four points" addressed by the NCCPA as the most common negative comments, my question simply is WHY? NCCPA says one Clin Q every two years does not have to take a lot time. But WHY do I need to do it at all? It may not have to take a lot of time, but if it takes any of my "free" time, it is too much. An add-on question is "to what benefit" is this Clin Q. And I don't mean benefit to NCCPA, but what benefit is it to me, the PA, the provider? How do you know that I personally need this to enhance my treatment that I provide? I am not saying I am perfect and there is no room for improvement, but that's why I do research on conditions I don't understand. That's why we all do the CME's.
  11. (continued) On the NCCPA site, it states: "Most physicians certified by medical specialty boards are now required to participate in a similar process to maintain their own certification." Please tell me what specialties these are because I can't find one. I work in Neurosurgery and other than the annual CME's, this specialty does not require anything further or any other "similar process" to maintain certification. My sister is an OB/GYN. Same thing. I asked Internal Medicine, Radiology/Interventional Radiology, Ortho, Cardiology, Pediatrics, Oncology, Urology, and Dermatology to name a few and none could site a "process" to maintain certification other than the annual requirement for CME's.
  12. (continued) Why is it we seem to have to do more than the physicians to stay certified. I have to take a recert exam every six years, yet the surgeon I work for took his boards more than 20 years ago and only does the annual CME requirements. I think he is a brilliant surgeon and to my observation doesn't seem to be deficient in any way despite that he has not recertified in general medicine in over 20 years. I too am a specialist, but I still have to recertify in general medicine every six years. Ridiculous!!! The standards for a PA are higher than that of an MD? Yes, I am well aware of the "specialty" exam for recert. However, those two are very general and only are 40% of the exam with 60% still devoted to general medicine. Like others who have commented before me, I don't know how memorizing "Tetralogy of Fallot" is going to help me in a Neurosurgical practice.
  13. (continued) That's about as arbitrary as me asking someone what you would do with a 23 year old patient with a newly discovered arteriovenous malformation. Or ask me to read a Wenckebach AV Block on EKG strip. I would ask you to show me a right Acom aneurysm on a cerebral angiogram. Please explain to me why I need to recertify AT ALL in anything other than my specialty. Why I can't I be like the MD and pass a specialty board and continue my annual CME's, attend specialty meetings, etc... I do not plan to do anything but my specialty, but if I want to switch, then make me certify in that other specialty after I've worked in it for two years.
  14. (continued) I completely agree with the post from Carol; is there some sort of deficiency driving this proposal? If so, why is the group being punished for the problems of a few? Isn't that something that was done in grade school? Aren't we all adults here? Clearly there isn't anyone who supports this other than say the people who came up with the idea and for those who do, I would like to know how many clinical hours they put in per week.
  15. (continued) I work in a large city (San Diego, CA) that has NO PA program. I have tried for three years to get one established at the local university that has a medical school with little or no assistance from the National and State PA organizations. Seems to me that is an endeavor worth spending time on. Two of the local universities now have official Pre-PA organizations on campus and I am currently mentoring 12 students who are pursuing a career as a PA. I have brought them in to observe surgery, they have shadowed me, and I’ve helped with their applications. These are some of the ways that I spend my free time but give back to the profession that I enjoy so much. But if this profession continues to impose unnecessary and illogical requirements, I think I should persuade them to pursue medical school and not PA school.
  16. (continued) I STRONGLY recommend against any ClinQ requirement and frankly, believe the recert process needs to go away as well. Too many PA's in specialties and the specialty recert exams do NOT make it any less ridiculous for me to study and memorize things that have NOTHING to do with my clinical practice and never will.
  17. I agree with the other posters that the new requirements do not seem like a good idea. I think the current standards are fine the way they are. I can't even get an educational pamphlet about PAs and how they are used in our practice to be published- How would I get approval for a new "project" every two years?
  18. What is the goal of improving here? What aspect of the profession is the NCCPA looking to change? Quality of patient care, improving how we manage those patients we see? Has the profession declined in respect and dignity? Where is the scientific data- the science behind the changes desired? I agree with most of the prior comments. The CME requirement is present to ensure we keep informed and stay current on upcoming data and information, techniques and relearn items. I am willing to accept integrating some of the changes into our CME requirement - but we have so many already in place. More than some physician's specialities are required.
  19. (cont) I recently got back from the SEMPA conference and overheard many colleagues reporting most have very little or no CME reimbursement. These additional items would be huge to that group of people that aren't reimbursed! I strongly oppose the ClinQ aspect- for what purpose would that serve? I like most others in the profession work multiple jobs for various reasons, have a family and attempt to provide qaulity time for the family. Why incur additional requirements. NO NEED! I hope many people take adavantage of this forum and voice their opinions- FOLKS- Get involved!
  20. I agree with my PA colleagues. We already have to keep up with our 100hrs of CME's every 2 years and recertification exam every 6years. There is more expected of us as PA's than is the M.D.'s or N.P.'s. Our fellow colleague/mid-level provider friends,NP's, do not have to take a recertification exam every 6 years like us. I like the idea of changing the recertification exam to every 10 years but not at the expense of adding self-assessment activity and ClinQI. What is the point of adding these two projects. I would support changing the recertification exam to every 10 years, but maybe just change the CME from 100hrs/2yr cycle to perhaps 120hrs/2yr cycle (60 Cat.I and 60 Cat II). I work fulltime in a busy family practice office for the last 9 years and balance life as a mother and wife. I urge the NCCPA to re-evalute why they want to make this change if the majority of us working PA's are not in agreement with this change.
  21. Is the NCAPA really serious about this ClinQI requirement? I will make my comments short and to the point. No practiciing PA needs any more requirements on his/her time that are unpaid and not reimburseable. Some of us actually still work for nongovernmental agencies and are required to actually produce a profit for our employer. Otherwise known as the Medical Doctor. Simply put, make the recert tests more comprehenisve and focus on specialty testing and certifications. I better stop at this point. I actually need to go see another patient.
  22. I am not in agreement with the proposed changes. Not to mention taking the time to do a ClinQI project, I don't see how this enhances my medical knowledge or tests it for that matter. I went to college and did several "projects" there. Second, what will this cost me? The fees have already been increased from $80/2 years to $140. Did the cost of me entering things online myself go up? Seems like NCCPA is trying to make itself pertinent. I agree with good continuing education but this is a bit too much.
  23. I agree with the others that the proposed new requirements are burdensome, both in terms of time and expense. In theory, these are nice ideas and some of them I do on a very small scale, ad hoc basis, but making them into requirements with the attendant paperwork is too much. Also as noted by others, we already complete more CME and testing than any other medical profession that I am aware of. Besides being a PA, I have a second job, I'm a wife and a mother, I'm active in my church, and I'm an active citizen working on issues like health insurance reform. The ClinQI requirement should be dropped, and if the self-assessment requirement is retained, it should be counted in our CME hours.
  24. WHY?? The changes will not help my practice. Is this academic posturing and knee jerk reaction? Is this for revenue generation? We already do enough with cme and PANRE, much more than other mid-levels Very very disgusting.
  25. It would appear that many of you are overworked and have requirements that you feel you are already having a difficult time meeting. It also appears that you all feel very confidant in your area of expertise and feel little need to keep up with the stringent demands of PA certification. Maybe it would be helpful to look at the new requirements as opportunity to document these issues and the detriment it has on your practice. It might be helpful to use this as an opportunity to look for improvements that might be made to take away the pressure some seem to be under. With the stressors on our health care system the physician assistant profession should be in a strong position to negotiate terms of employment, reimbursement and compensation. I don't take any objection to showing other professionals that I can keep up with more stringent CME and testing requirements and still provide excellent care.
  26. ClinQl could drive a wedge between PAs and supervising physicians who believe PA competency already exists. It seems potentially embarrassing to PAs already respected professionally. MD's may even start looking at Nurse Practitioners as ClinQl implies NP's are better trained. MD's aren't looking for more involvement, they want to get the work done and believe PAs have the training and professionalism needed and the commitment to improve skills daily, and meet the need of patients. ClinQl sounds like something someone, not practicing clinically, thought up and rationalized in a dream world. I know in my Emergency Department, none of the doctors will want to start a training program for each the 12 PA's who work there. Asking MD's to do so will erode confidences already earned and be an irritant ..Only in a one-on-one clinical setting, one PA with one MD, could I see this program working to improve things.
  27. I have no problem with the addition of a periodic self-assessment requirement, as I already participate in such programs voluntarily. These activities do help broaden one's knowledge base and help us gain the respect of our MD colleagues. However, the ClinQI proposal is one I can see backfiring on us as employees. Good luck getting most SPs to agree to have their PAs devote any time and effort to this, especially if it means fewer patients seen that week or month (and less money for the practice....) They will also balk at the idea of asking patients to inconvenience themselves by participating in any sort of research that is "just for a PA thing."
  28. I have no problem with the addition of a periodic self-assessment requirement, as I already participate in such programs voluntarily. These activities do help broaden one's knowledge base and help us gain the respect of our MD colleagues. However, the ClinQI proposal is one I can see backfiring on us as employees. Good luck getting most SPs to agree to have their PAs devote any time and effort to this, especially if it means fewer patients seen that week or month (and less money for the practice....) They will also balk at the idea of asking patients to inconvenience themselves by participating in any sort of research that is "just for a PA thing."
  29. Not to denigrate NPs, who are professional colleagues and competent clinicians, but many practices that preferentially employ PAs instead of NPs actually like the fact that we are trained in the "meat and potatoes" of medicine, and didn't spend much of our education engaged in this "nursing theory" type of navel-gazing. I realize this is probably an attempt to make us more competitive in the states where practice laws make NPs easier to hire. Work on getting the states to admit that "collaboration" and "supervision" arrangements are essentially the same thing in most cases, and this image problem may just solve itself. Please leave these ClinQI activities to academic PAs who have the time, the institutional support, and the desire to perform such research. Make PAs in doctoral programs defend dissertations about these matters. But let me remain an in-the-trenches clinician like my MD colleagues who are required to do zero "quality improvement" exercises outside of CLIA requirements.
  30. The ClinQI recommendation and its intention is nonsense. Like MDs, PAs go through a rigorous vetting process before employment. PAs are evaluated on annual basis by their piers and MD partners. Their medical/credentialing boards to assure competency scrutinize hospital-based PAs. Then there is chart review…. In addition, PAs also fulfill the current NCCPA requirements for certification. “Other PAs may already be engaging in QI projects in their workplace; those QI activities could be used to satisfy the ClinQI requirement for the MOC process.” Yes, most PAs probably are. How by making this a requirement for all, will it appease or change the public’s perception of quality and/or accountability in health care as it applies to PAs, which is the NCCPA concern? Where is the data to substantiate this? How will it prevent or decrease bad outcomes?
  31. Cont.... It is intuitive that the vetting process, chart review, CME, PANRE, and of course, the self improvement and practice-based learning that each PA performs on a daily basis contributes more to the quality of care and patient safety than any regulated, NCCPA-mandated ClinQI could result in. As I see it, the NCCPA survey is an affront to all PAs for “while ultimately the NCCPA Board will make decisions on these concepts with the public's interest foremost in mind.” Yes, the NCCPA knows what is best for both the public and for PAs. Sound familiar?
  32. Lastly, “PAs would be encouraged to partner with their supervising physicians whenever possible….” Most MDs are already being taxed by current hospital and state medical board requirements. I work in a very busy ED…it is not logical nor would it be beneficial for the PAs in my group to have to “employ” our MD partners in such a project every two years. As it is, it is difficult to assure current PA chart review by all of our MDs. This is a no-fly zone.
  33. This is totally unsubstaniated. If there is significant data showing that we, as PAs, were severely deficient and providing substandard care, then it would be worth doing. However, this is not the case. Additionally, (I can only speak for myself but feel that others do this is as well) I do already do a clinical quality assessment to improve my practice. I see things that work and what doesn't...then i adjust my practice accordingly. Why make me write it down on paper and turn it in like a high school science fair project? I work in a practice with 4 other PAs and we share "secrets" for effective practice with each other. We also attend conferences where we obtain our numerous CMEs but again network with other PAs and are able to do some quality assessment based on each others' experiences as well... Again, as others have mentioned, this is a waste of resources, inlcuding time and money.
  34. The section on the NCCPA site that is trying to rationalize a reason for adding clinical quality improvement as part of the new proposals stating that, "most physicians certified by medical speciality boards are now required to participate....", just is not the case. Atleast not for Orthopaedic Surgeons or Anesthesiologist, the two specialist that I work with daily. My supervising physician, an orthopaedic surgeon, does NOT have clinical quality improvement or anything similar as part of his CME requirements. In fact he has to get less than 50 CME over a two year period. There is a self assessment portion to this, but this involves answering questions open book and it counts towards the total CME and is not separate or in addition to the other CME's. This is also different from what the NCCPA is proposing on the self-assessment section.
  35. I don't think this proposed change with the addition of CLINQI is very practical. We are ALL very busy.This places an additional burden on a profession that already has enough to deal with. Patient care is what we do and I believe each PA does his/her best to provide the best possible care to every patient. I've been a practicing PA for the past, soon to be 37 years and this does smell like more busy work. I believe the current cme requirement is sufficient.
  36. As I read through the comments on this web sight I see a strong indication that this is not favored by the majority, if not all PA's who responded. I am in agreement that this new proposal (ClinIQ) would not be benifical and hope that the NCCPA listens to us, the PA's, and not add this as a requirement.
  37. If one looks at the 2009 AAPA census it shows that the average PA who responded to the survey has been in practice for a mean 10.1 years with a mean 9.4 years in his/her current position and a mean 7.1 years in their current speciality. This would indicate that PAs do not change specialties frequently. I agree with the numerous other comments that studying to pass an exam containing questions about disease states/conditions/medications I have not seen or dealt with since PA school doess little to assess my ability to practice in my speciality or provide public confidence that I am qualified. The MD should be the final arbiter of my ability to evaluate, assess, and treat my patients. As with other comments, I wonder if the NCCPA is trying to rationalize its continued existance as to date they certainly have presented no 'evidence' that either the PANCE exam is necessary for continued consumer/MD support of our profession or that ClinQI will improve it either.
  38. I work in a very busy Pediatric Orthopaedic and Adult Spine practice. I see on average over 100 patients a week. My job is to deliver quality healthcare alongside my Supervising Physician to those that need it. I went to school to learn about disease, treatments, etc., not to learn quality control, process improvement, Six Sigma. I enjoy my job because I like interaction with people and I love medicine. We have people in our office (Office Managers and Clinical Coordinators with M.B.A's, etc.). If a process needs improvement it is addressed with them and they fix it. I know for one many Physicians hire PA's to make their job easier which is usually accomplished by seeing patients not coming to work to fix or improve processes which may/may not be broken. Time spent doing the proposed nonsense (what is really is) is less time spent seeing patients or spending time with your family, either way its a bad deal for individuals and the profession as a whole.
  39. I agree!!! No to the new proposed changes. I myself struggle meeting all the requirements put in place now. It is financially difficult for me to maintain the 100 CME hours required as I am not reimbursed by my employer. Not only that but I have to utilize sick/personal/vacation days to attend conferences which have the most credit hours. I also am personally financially responsible for all fees associated with the profession (CME's, licensing, DEA, etc). The requirements for PA's are absurd! NP's don't even have to recertify at all! A close personal friend of mine and co-worker who is an NP told me she would flat out leave her profession if she was required to re-take boards every so often. Her words "they were brutal enough once in a lifetime and have no bearing on daily practice." She felt sorry that I was a PA and not an NP!
  40. (continued)...I recently completed the PANRE/Pathway II examination. I had 4 fellow PA's and 6 general practice MD's, not to mention a specialist in each field, all who were helping me. They all were in agreement that it was absolutely rediculous! They struggled with the questions as well and have each practiced in their fields for years!! What is the profession trying to prove?????? They are going to be pushing away many devoted PAs in the field, I am afraid. If anyone asked me now....PA or medical school...........I would have to say med school all the way!!
  41. By all accounts, the ClinQI appears to be an unwelcomed intrusion into our recertification process. It appears that extending the timeframe for the PANRE from 6 to 10 years is completely reasonable. There does not seem to be any evidenced based data with regard to improved patient outcomes to support such an endeavor as ClinQI. Keep the current recertification process in place and extend the time interval for the PANRE from 6 to 10 years and be done with it! The current recertification process may have benefitted the profession by ensuring public trust in our profession and may have allowed for favorable legislative efforts. I can't believe that adding more hoops and hurdles will in any way improve our profession's standing. Please realize that the current PANRE requirements are unreasonable compared to our other medical professional colleagues requirements. Hopefully, our profession has "come of age" and now is the time to reasonably loosen some of the unreasonable requirements.
  42. Enough is enough. NCCPA is going too far with these new proposed maintenance requirements. I am becoming truely disappointed with this organization. Why include a research project every year for all PAs? Most PAs are hard working individuals who have other obligations outside of their places of employment and time is limited for everyone. If a change needs to be made, then maybe increase the number of CMEs to 120 every 2 years and place a required number of them to be done in various areas outside of the niche they work in. We love our profession and, more importantly, the general public is satisfied with us as well. Dont make it harder, and more expensive, for us to practice than it needs to be. Paying all of our fees is becoming more of a hardship in these economic times. It's stressful enough for us to get reimbursed for our services. Just stop and enjoy what our profession has done and what we continue to do. NCCPA will just make it more difficult, not better.
  43. Does NCCPA really want to hear from us...or is this just lip service allowing a 7 day window to make a useless comment? It's clear there is not PA support for this plan and for practical reasons. Most PA's are not new grads- I'm 12 years, you've heard from PAs in practice much longer. You ask skilled PA's with yrs of experience to adopt an interactive plan that is truly ill conceived. I can't get my mind around the fact this proposal has made it this far. Your plan is certain to permanently damage the PA profession and destined to be viewed one huge mistake. It will push NP's far ahead of us in employ-ability. NCCPA needs to step back on this .. The PA profession is not new .. we have been doing this for almost 40 years. All programs are now Masters degree.. that is where the money is for PA security in the work place. Not ClinQl. Please do force this program on PAs.
  44. ClinQI I say no when did we let nursing ideas into the profession. I don't know about you all but 18 hours a day 6 days a week with call 2-3 days a week the last thing I want to do is to work on a project the will become pointless. Every day we work to make things better It does not matter that you can't figure out a way to test it. I see nurses all the time franticly trying to get some stupid thing implemented so they can maintain some degree or position it is not in place to benefit anyone. This process like all we become so beaurocratic the paper work will be endless. PA's are put under the microscope everyday with some professions praying every night they can hang us from the Health care cross. Some hospitals I have worked had PA's working and doing great things but the hospital no matter how hard the PA's tried never understood any good they did, we where leaches taking money. I want to do my job make improvements when possible. So stop with this Idea that sounds good but is not a good idea at all.
  45. Bravo, and thank god I am not the only one thinking on these terms!
  46. Well I wrote just a few comments yet no matter how I parsed it or reduced it was to long. This is the only format available to adress this issue as I have not found a place for public comment at NCCPA. This site is obviously to restricted to provide meaningful discussion. Nor does the program tell you what length is acceptable leading to serious frustration. I suspect it is deliberate on the part of NCCPA. Of note it is clear that this has already beeen decided as they (NCCPA) are already in discussion with others to insure the self assessment tools will be availble. Public comment on a foregone conclusion is a waste of time. Nor will AAPA HOD representatives have an oppourtunity to review and come to concensus in the short comment period. Its time to start an alternative certification agency.
  47. Because of being busy in practice it is just by accident that I stumbled on these new "qualifications" being discussed by our certifying board. I am not surprised at the overwhelming opinion that this is over the top by my colleagues. I am near the end of my career but will want to continue to maintain certification to continue to teach, volunteer and work part time. These new qualifications will make it very difficult to do that. Please reconsider this issue and keep in mind our physician counterparts have more paid for (in general) by our employers and also, state to state CME requirements for license are different.
  48. It seems to me that you are trying to elevate the status of our profession through a very tedious recertification process. I am a very busy clinician, but I also have many activities outside of work that are important to me. It is difficult enough for me to meet the requirements of recertification that already exist. Similar to government, more regulation and requirements don't always translate into improved quality. I would rather keep the current system than change to the one that is currently being proposed. If you insist on making these changes then I would propose the following modifications: 1. Make the skills assessment portion be accepted as fulfilling part of the 100 hours of cme. 2. Reduce the CQI component to one project every 10 years. This seems a little more reasonable to me.
  49. Regarding the proposed CliniQI; this is the most inane idea I have yet heard of. I have been an NCCPA certified PA for 24 years and have long felt that our CME requirements are onerous, certainly the most of any healthcare profession by far. Now NCCPA proposes to increase that burden? They are completely out of touch with practicing PA's. I, for one, have not the available time, financial resources, or interest to devote to additional responsibilities. I suspect this idea was hatched by a few administrators who will not be affected or by PA's with no clinical responsibilities If NCCPA is at all sensitive to the needs of its membership, lets have an open debate through the profession. I doubt that will happen has the overwhelming majority of practicing PAs want no part of this scheme.
  50. I have been a PA for 10 years now. I love my career and can not imagine doing anything else. That being said over the last few years it seems that the NCCPA works in a vacum. I do not know the background of those that came up with the new proposed guidelines but it is apparent they are not clinical PA's or have not been working for awhile. Working PA's have seen a drastic increase in volume in regards to patients and paperwork. Many of us take our work home just to get caught up. With a decreasing CME budget from our clinics if we have one and increasing costs of education it is hard enough to fulfill current requirements. It seems that the proposed guidelines are formulated for PR purposes. While I agree that PA's should continue to gain knowledge and evaluate our practices to improve this is not the way. With the uncertainty in the health care environment recently makes this even a worse time to add additional requirements.
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